Talk:AOC Managing Communities - Revision history

Foster: Major edits

Foster — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:30:20 GMT

Major edits

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	behavior.[[User:Andyo\|Andyo]] 15:14, 12 November 2007 (PST)		behavior.[[User:Andyo\|Andyo]] 15:14, 12 November 2007 (PST)
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		+	== Major edits ==
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		+	Andy and Jean - Thank you so much for the feedback. I've done major re-writes on this chapter and significant re-organization. Let me know what you think. [http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/User:Foster Foster] 1/6/08 6:27pm (PST)

Andyo at 23:15, 12 November 2007

Andyo — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:15:37 GMT

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	it convenient to divide the needs and goals into three sections		it convenient to divide the needs and goals into three sections

-	* Availability. This is the most basic: if the material doesn't exist,	+	* Availability. This is the most basic: if the material doesn't exist, nobody can use it. And motivation is key to this goal.
-	nobody can use it. And motivation is key to this goal.	+

	* Quality. This can be enhanced by reputation and rating systems.		* Quality. This can be enhanced by reputation and rating systems.

-	* Findability. This can be facilitated by tools (specialized searches)	+	* Findability. This can be facilitated by tools (specialized searches) and by people explicitly adding links to documents to suggest that
-	and by people explicitly adding links to documents to suggest that	+
	people read something else before or afterward.		people read something else before or afterward.

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-	* Career advancement. This is also known as job signaling, a stupid	+	* Career advancement. This is also known as job signaling, a stupid phrase in my opinion, but very popular in economics circles.
-	phrase in my opinion, but very popular in economics circles.	+

-	* Community-building. This has an altruistic component, but	+	* Community-building. This has an altruistic component, but participants expect to benefit from others' contributions as well--there's a strong feeling of "mutual aid" and "I was helped in the past, so I want to pay it forward now and help others now."
-	participants expect to benefit from others' contributions as	+
-	well--there's a strong feeling of "mutual aid" and "I was helped in	+
-	the past, so I want to pay it forward now and help others now."	+

	* Ego-boosting.		* Ego-boosting.

Andyo: Comments for further reorg and additions

Andyo — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:14:45 GMT

Comments for further reorg and additions

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	Gift Culture or the Gift Economy is a PRIMARY component of community--online or off. If it doesn't have a gift economy, then it is NOT a community. I would like to see this section fleshed out significantly. --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:12, 4 November 2007 (PST)		Gift Culture or the Gift Economy is a PRIMARY component of community--online or off. If it doesn't have a gift economy, then it is NOT a community. I would like to see this section fleshed out significantly. --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:12, 4 November 2007 (PST)
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		+	I agree that gift culture is important, but it's a mushy concept, and I think it should be analyzed into its constituent motivations--which Dawn seems to here--which are easier to grasp. I'll mention more about that in a longer posting below.[[User:Andyo\|Andyo]] 15:14, 12 November 2007 (PST)

	A note about trolling would be very useful, I suspect. I have had to walk lots of new community members through the whole "what is a troll and what can we do about that" question.		A note about trolling would be very useful, I suspect. I have had to walk lots of new community members through the whole "what is a troll and what can we do about that" question.
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		+	In my research on community-generated online documentation, I've found
		+	it convenient to divide the needs and goals into three sections
		+
		+	* Availability. This is the most basic: if the material doesn't exist,
		+	nobody can use it. And motivation is key to this goal.
		+
		+	* Quality. This can be enhanced by reputation and rating systems.
		+
		+	* Findability. This can be facilitated by tools (specialized searches)
		+	and by people explicitly adding links to documents to suggest that
		+	people read something else before or afterward.
		+
		+	Intellectual and Skills Building: it may be interesting to note that
		+	many people contribute to free documentation in order to discipline
		+	themselves enough to find out more about the topic themselves. They
		+	know what every teacher has found out: that by teaching something you
		+	learn it much more thoroughly yourself.
		+
		+	It seems that researchers identify three big reasons for
		+	participating:
		+
		+	* Career advancement. This is also known as job signaling, a stupid
		+	phrase in my opinion, but very popular in economics circles.
		+
		+	* Community-building. This has an altruistic component, but
		+	participants expect to benefit from others' contributions as
		+	well--there's a strong feeling of "mutual aid" and "I was helped in
		+	the past, so I want to pay it forward now and help others now."
		+
		+	* Ego-boosting.
		+
		+	On a political site or another site with an obvious social impact,
		+	another reason is to change people's opinions and behavior. I think
		+	major sections could be developed to each of these reasons, along with
		+	other ones you have, such as "Intellectual and Skills Building"
		+	(which, as I said, can be a surprisingly powerful motivation) and
		+	"Social." The social aspect is particularly important because whether
		+	or not people join because of the positive aspects of socializing (I
		+	happen to think these aspects are quite important, even when people
		+	don't cite them), they most certainly can be driven ''away'' by negative
		+	aspects. In other words, nasty comments and unpleasant arguments
		+	drive people away. So you'd better pay attention to the social aspects
		+	of your community. This comes up later in the "Norms and Behavior"
		+	section, but it's worth saying in the "Social" section too.
		+	Hopefully we'll also have a chapter on "Dealing with difficult
		+	community members" to refer to.
		+
		+	I'd put "Career advancement" as a subsection under "Economic." The
		+	economic aspects you cover in this section are an interesting example
		+	of the "mutual aid" motivation I discussed earlier. I would leave this
		+	material where you have it in the "Economic" section, but explicitly
		+	say it's a tangible example of mutual aid. You could also generalize
		+	about the whole being greater than the sum of its parts on open
		+	projects.
		+
		+	I'm glad you point out that the idea of "gift culture" is not an
		+	independent motivation, but a complex interaction of the more tangible
		+	motivations listed earlier.
		+
		+	In addition to obscenity, there are other things that can be banned by
		+	community leaders, such as the advocacy of violent or illegal
		+	behavior.[[User:Andyo\|Andyo]] 15:14, 12 November 2007 (PST)

Foster: Talk:Managing Communities moved to Talk:AOC Managing Communities

Foster — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:41:25 GMT

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Foster: Talk:Community Participation moved to Talk:Managing Communities

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Nurture Girl: trolls

Nurture Girl — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:17:11 GMT

trolls

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	Gift Culture or the Gift Economy is a PRIMARY component of community--online or off. If it doesn't have a gift economy, then it is NOT a community. I would like to see this section fleshed out significantly. --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:12, 4 November 2007 (PST)		Gift Culture or the Gift Economy is a PRIMARY component of community--online or off. If it doesn't have a gift economy, then it is NOT a community. I would like to see this section fleshed out significantly. --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:12, 4 November 2007 (PST)
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		+	A note about trolling would be very useful, I suspect. I have had to walk lots of new community members through the whole "what is a troll and what can we do about that" question.

Nurture Girl: gift economy comment

Nurture Girl — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:12:48 GMT

gift economy comment

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	It is quite clear where the author stands on particular groups (inside or outside), which can be a great way to be transparent...or not. Stylisic choice to consider. :-) --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:06, 4 November 2007 (PST)		It is quite clear where the author stands on particular groups (inside or outside), which can be a great way to be transparent...or not. Stylisic choice to consider. :-) --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:06, 4 November 2007 (PST)
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		+	Gift Culture or the Gift Economy is a PRIMARY component of community--online or off. If it doesn't have a gift economy, then it is NOT a community. I would like to see this section fleshed out significantly. --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:12, 4 November 2007 (PST)

Nurture Girl at 19:06, 4 November 2007

Nurture Girl — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:06:27 GMT

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	The writing on this is very laborous, every sentence outlining each and every logical step. What about more story as examples? --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 10:59, 4 November 2007 (PST)		The writing on this is very laborous, every sentence outlining each and every logical step. What about more story as examples? --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 10:59, 4 November 2007 (PST)
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		+	It is quite clear where the author stands on particular groups (inside or outside), which can be a great way to be transparent...or not. Stylisic choice to consider. :-) --[[User:Nurture Girl\|Nurture Girl]] 11:06, 4 November 2007 (PST)

Nurture Girl: Jean's comments

Nurture Girl — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:59:47 GMT

Jean's comments

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In the passion section, I would appreciate seeing something about a number of communities that have evolved around "making a difference" about a passion cause. Razoo, Zaadz, Care2, Omidyar.net etc all focus on making change in our world and get quite a few people contributing and then going into the world to DO things. --[[User:Nurture Girl|Nurture Girl]] 10:59, 4 November 2007 (PST)

The writing on this is very laborous, every sentence outlining each and every logical step. What about more story as examples? --[[User:Nurture Girl|Nurture Girl]] 10:59, 4 November 2007 (PST)